A Lazy Sunday Around the Horn

Now, figure that Masterson and Hagadone came over in the Martinez deal (with Price)... and balance through the idea that the Red Sox offer for including Lee with Martinez ECLIPSED picking 5 of the names you see above.

So if Masterson and Hagadone are 2 of the 5, that would leave the Indians to pick 3 from among Buchholz, Bard, Bowden, Reddick, Navarro, and Doubrant at the very least, because the Red Sox offer for both Lee and Martinez was BETTER than the one listed above.

Maybe it didn't shake out like that and maybe the names were not necessarily the same or the offer for Hernandez was overstated, but knowing what the Indians got from both the Phillies and the Red Sox for Lee and Martinez and knowing that this offer may have been, in fact, on the table (or even an offer that "eclipsed" this), the Indians better hope that Carlos Carrasco and Jason Knapp don't fall by the wayside while the likes of Buchholz, Bard, and Bowden become principal members of the juggernaut that is the Red Sox going forward.

Mark Shapiro, if it wasn't already obvious...you're on notice.

This brings us to an absolutely phenomenal piece from LGT's Jay Levin (which wraps up their "Fire Everyone" series) that puts the Tribe GM under the microscope. "Fire Shapiro" presents an interesting paradox as Jay points out that Shapiro is certainly not without his strengths, but finds himself in the position he does today because of an over-reliance on the processes in place and not enough of a dissenting voice to balance an overwhelming cohesion in the organization.

...the brilliant executive can't necessarily tell you whether it's better to overspend on Raul Ibañez or Kerry Wood.  He can't necessarily devise a process to tell you that, and he can't necessarily hire the right person to tell you that, either.  Nor can he devise a process to hire the right person to tell you that.  It doesn't always come down to objective analysis or having a good process.  Sometimes it comes down to talent: the talent to play, the talent to evaluate talent, the talent to develop talent, and the judgment to make decisions about talent.

--snip-

Shapiro has not given us any concrete reason to believe that he knows how to put people into critical positions who are capable of evaluating, developing and coaching real talent - the kind that can thrive at the major league level.  Without people in key roles who are possessed of that kind of judgment and talent, it doesn't make any difference how good your organizational processes are or how much class-acting you do. 

Levin identifies some significant pieces of the Front Office that are no longer here (Jay mentions Farrell, Neal Huntington, and Tony LaCava...to which I would add Mike Hazen, the current Director of Player Development in Boston, a position that he has ascended to from 2006, when he admitted that he thought he would be a in Cleveland for a long time until the Red Sox came calling) and suggests that the Indians became weaker when each left, leaving the Indians to scramble to keep the pipeline full...and not just in terms of players.

Moving back into the nothingness of the managerial search, Jon Heyman offers much of the same that we've been hearing:

Bobby Valentine is the name most prominently mentioned as a candidate for the Indians job. But Indians people say they have a long list. Red Sox coach Brad Mills could be a candidate. Makes sense, his son, Beau Mills, was a high draft choice of theirs recently. Indians and Red Sox executives are close, and the Indians originally targeted Boston pitching coach John Farrell, who decided to remain in his current job.

Is anyone else confused by Brad Mills "making sense" as a candidate because the Indians drafted his son?  Does that mean if the Indians drafted Ron Roenicke's son recently that he would "make sense" as a candidate?

I'm fine with the argument that Mills is a respected bench coach for a successful team, but justifying his candidacy with the fact that his son is a former 1^st Round Pick of the team and a current AA 1B doesn't exactly make a compelling case.

Staying with the managerial circus (and refuting what Heyman writes), anyone else catch this little aside from Hoynes this week when listing managerial "candidates", which looks a lot like the last time he listed "candidates":

If Farrell, Boston's pitching coach, is still in the picture, he'll be a strong candidate. ESPN.com reported that he removed himself from consideration. If he did, it's news to the Indians.

That was admittedly bolded by me for emphasis, but is Hoynesie slipping in little clues that the Indians have not, in fact, been told by Farrell that he's removed himself from consideration?

More importantly, is this what I've come to on an October morning...looking for hidden meanings in Paul Hoynes' articles?

Moving on, if you've watched any of the MLB playoffs, you're aware that (other than the umpires making quite a...ahem...name for themselves) it's been more than a little painful to watch because of the ex-Indians (who, it should be noted DID NOT win when they were together as a team before the trades to start the 2008 season and, to a lesser degree, to start the 2009 season, making this idea that "breaking up the band" was a premature and short-sighted decision not forced by the performance of the players on the field) leading their new teams in the Divisional tilts.  Regardless, my fellow TCF writer Steve Buffum lays out another reason it's been just as difficult to watch the coverage of the playoffs...or at least difficult to listen to them with an imagined conversation that actually doesn't stray too far from reality.

Finally, and apropos of absolutely nothing related to the Indians though it does keep us at "64 and Counting", Vince Grzegorek recounts his experience at a try-out for "American Idol", during which he "auditioned" by singing...wait for it..."Bernie, Bernie" in full Browns' attire in the end zone of the Dawg Pound.

If nothing else, we're a week closer to having a new manager for the Indians, which could be affected by the outcome of today's Red Sox-Angels game...so I guess that's something.